Discussion Topic:- Reasons
of Weak English learners at plus two level and solutions for it.
Prof. Tushar Chavan: [9:01
AM, 2/22/2020]
It's
reality that many students are very poor in English at plus two level. No doubt
about it but as English has been introduced from std.First, why are we getting so weak
students? Something is missing somewhere. Is it the problem of syllabus from
std. First to tenth or is it the problem of our teachers? It is expected that
we should get good English learners at plus two levels. But it is not
happening. The programs like CHESS, British Council etc. must be implemented
properly. There is need of good infrastructure for English learning. The
programs like ‘English day at every Saturday' or 'inclusion of English speaking course
in the syllabus’ etc. may make few changes in the students. Some new ideas
should be implemented to improve the learning ability of our students. Within
two years, we can't do much for our students. They must be properly trained
from std. First. After that we can teach them English literature.
For science
students it is necessary that there should be an option to increase their score
in NEET, JEE or CET considering the marks they earned in English. For example,
if a student gets 50 to 59 marks in English, his or her score in NEET, JEE or
CET must be increased with five marks. Same in for 60 to 69 - six marks. If
this happens, the science students will pay attention to English subject also.
All are
requested to share your views on this topic.
Jr. College Eng. Teachers’
Group 1
Prof. A P. Patil: [9:54
AM, 2/22/2020]
Sir you
have found the exact problem in learning English for the students and also your
suggestions are also appropriate regarding the problem. Many of our students
even from science faculty are lagging behind in the skills of English language
(reading, speaking, conversation, etc.). We experience this vividly
particularly while taking oral exam. We don't know when our board of studies
will pay attention over this problem but we can take some steps for the
betterment of our students. (I have one suggestion - when we start to teach our
students of class 11, instead of dealing with directly to the textbook, we may
spend 15 to 30 days to improve their English language, if possible, all the
skills)
Prof. Ajay Gupta: [11:52
AM, 2/22/2020]
Activity sheet was very tough for
rural students. Compare the activity sheet of Marathi and English. Marathi is
mother tongue. But it's activity sheet is very simple. 20 to 30 percent
questions must be simple.
Prof Shweta Patil: [12:48
PM, 2/22/2020]
Sir, there is no co relation
between the syllabus of primary , secondary and higher secondary English... At
some of our places Teacher don't teach the writing skills section
properly...very often it is omitted and given least importance...so students
aren't prepared only for it...That's one of the reasons even at higher
secondary level pupils cannot attempt easy questions
95183 76704: [12:50
PM, 2/22/2020]
We all English Teachers must think
on difficulty level of our subject
When we will gather for our new
syllabus seminar
Prof. Hanuman Lohar: [2:03
PM, 2/22/2020]
Yes sir students were getting
answers easily in Marathi question papers and in our English paper they were
trying hard but getting answers too late .....my suggestion is that we have to
set question papers for tribal,rural
,city and metropolitan students....to encourage them to pass out atleast .....
Tourist leaflet ,job letter and
familiar words in questions should be used that's why our students could reach
passing target....because mostly today's boys students are not interested to
study or attend other topics....may be I'm incorrect..
Prof. Jagdish
Kumbhar, Karad: [7:51 PM, 2/22/2020]
That's true sir. After ELISS and
Chess we do find some changes in the classroom interactions. At first we have
to change our teaching methods, and techniques.
At any cost we have to remove the grammar translation method. It is a
fact that most of the teachers are following it even though the the textbook turned
in to course book. We are following the communicative approach to teach the
language but some teachers are struggling with the traditional methods. That's
the problem in the schools and colleges. As a mentor of British council and the
moderator of CHESS I am always insisting on this . And fortunately the teachers
are responding it. They are ready to change to change the classroom.
Rajesh Agrwal: [8:15
PM, 2/22/2020]
I agree with your middle part
but not with the last as I have seen 2/3 mentors and many menti when I have chance to attend one session
Prof. Gulam Sir: [8:16 PM,
2/22/2020]
Means we have to create an eco-system
for communication of English language.
Rajesh Agrwal: [8:27
PM, 2/22/2020]
Dear friend I am mostly dealing
with 5th to 10th but frankly speaking " not something but many things are
missing from 1st to 10th.. problem with 1st to 10th teachers... first of all
selection of mentors must be on merit basis ...nice suggestion about NEET exam.
Laxman Machhi Sir: [8:28
PM, 2/22/2020]
Creating English Speaking Ecosystem
What is Ecosystem?
The word ECO in ecosystem is comes
from branch of environment.
System means interacting groups.
Relationship between living things
and non-living things (biotic and abiotic).
Living and physical components are
linked together.
Community of living things interact
with its environment.
It can be of any size, smallest to
the biggest.
The term first coined by A.G.
Tansley in 1935.
The Class or the School as an
Eco-system
Need for English Speaking Ecosystem
“You can’t change the people, but
you can change their environment and that will make the change happen.”
Ideas for creating English Speaking
Ecosystem
Get your students to talk and keep
them talking.
Providing them high interest
engagement.
Prof. Gulam Sir: [8:36
PM, 2/22/2020]
In this new approach or
communicative approach the upper most aim of teaching English language is to
create the best oraters not the authors. Means to teach the commercial English
language.
Prof. Suniti Moharil:
[8:36 PM, 2/22/2020]
In set pattern level of difficulty
changes leaving scope for injustice
Prof. Gulam Sir: [8:40
PM, 2/22/2020]
That's why English is being taught
as a subject but not as a language.
Jr. College Eng. Teachers’
Group 2
Prof Nida Momin: [9:14
AM, 2/22/2020]
Both are responsible for this.
Teachers n syllabus
Prof Nida Momin: [9:15
AM, 2/22/2020]
It is just my opinion
Because in 12 std students don't
know the parts of speech
I don't think at this level we are
supposed to teach them parts of speech
Mr Manish Ikharkar: [9:16
AM, 2/22/2020]
First of all, the teacher work to
teach english, not for passing the subject, (from 1st to 12th classes).
Prof. Anil Bondre: [9:17
AM, 2/22/2020]
In rural areas
1.Students learn English as a
subject and not as a language.
2.They are not serious about their
studies.
3.Their attendance is also a
problem.
4.The syllabi is not effectively
implemented in the lower classes.
5.Many of them don't know even
Marathi grammar.
Prof Nida Momin: [9:17
AM, 2/22/2020]
Yes. Correct. But due to pressure
of institution the teachers are bound to complete syllabus only.
Prof. Nitin Puri: [9:18
AM, 2/22/2020]
As there is no job. appli.,tourist
leaflet & interview of a 'famous personality' ,passing for 'borderline'
students 'll become difficult.I think.
Dinesh Goswami: [9:20 AM,
2/22/2020]
Students r not responsible if they
r weak in English.They r not exposed to English environment. And many more
other reasons r there.
Prof Rahul
Banegaonkar: [9:23 AM, 2/22/2020]
First language should be taught to
the students then the literature of that language. We teach literature n
through that it is considered to learn language by the students.
Prof.Gaddam Shakuntala: [9:24
AM, 2/22/2020]
I myself do maximum practices in
classroom teaching and solve all extension and comprehension so it's fruitful
for below average students... I definitely get the result in June2020.
Uses of maximum English talking
into classroom it is helpful and habitual to students... I think so.
Prof. Lalit Patil [10:03 AM,
2/22/2020]
It's a reality.
This is not happening with the evaluation
systems of TOFEL OR IELTS. In our system
their is huge gap between marks and performance just as salary and performance
in government sectors.
We take examinations or evaluation
of the student at the end of the year and try to see whether the :
- aims and objectives have been
fulfilled or not?
- whether the curriculum is
fulfilling the objective of learning or not?
- or the teaching methodology is
appropriate?
- or the tool of evaluation is
reaching towards the goal or not?
- at the end the basic purpose of
language learning is fulfilling the
needs of learner.
We ll talk on detail on this topic
as my research topic based on the same issue.
Very well observation Tushar sir.
Prof.Ajay Todkari: [11:25
AM, 2/22/2020]
The main problem is in teaching
methods. In rural area teacher uses grammar translation method. So students are
not connected with English. If everyone use different methods from first
standard it is easy to develop all language skills. Syllabus must be according
to this.
Prof. Shyamsundar
Chalakh: [7:05 PM, 2/22/2020]
When I saw marathi q. paper,I
compared marathi and English que.papers then I found that marathi paper is very
easy and simple to solve and it is like the paper of std 2nd.
Marathi is a easy language language
and marathi subject teachers set easy marathi paper that can be solved easily.
We all know that English is a difficult language for most of the students
especially for rural studentsThen a question aroused in my mind
Why our English teachers everytime
try to set a difficult English que. Paper?
What do they want to show by making
our English subject more and more difficult?
A,B,C,D sets are the fruits of such
extra intelligent English teachers.
Why only English subject has A,B,C
and D sets?
Why aren't there any
language,aren't subjects are subjects?
Prof. Sandip Kachore [7:06
PM, 2/22/2020]
No need of ABCD
Prof. Manish Ikharkar:
[7:07 PM, 2/22/2020]
A B C D group should be for all or
non.
Prof Sonawane Sir [7:26
PM, 2/22/2020]
I also observed that most students
were able to solve all questions of Marathi subject before time. English
question paper is so lengthy where many students are found complaining that
they missed some questions for having no time.
Prof. Mahesh Lahoti: [7:46
PM, 2/22/2020]
Today, I saw in Hindi paper,
students finished their paper within 2.30 hours...
It was shocking for me cause in
English paper, only few studens were able to solve whole question paper...But I
have doubt about it...Because, so many times, students make mistakes due to the
pressure of lack of time.. .
For every activity, student should
have read the whole question paper and
take a lot of time ...
We see that in our question paper in Q.5 C)A tree diagram,it is about
Kaldhari...
So many students couldn't
understand the meaning of Kaldhari...In Q.paper their is not a reference also
as it is a village...
Prof. Vijay
Chintalkar Patil: [7:46 PM, 2/22/2020]
Our teachers are the paper setters
and they should know the problems, abilities of our students .
Prof. Mahesh Lahoti: [7:49
PM, 2/22/2020]
I think,they want to show their
knowledge of English
Prof Sonawane Sir: [7:49
PM, 2/22/2020]
They only think about average
students in urban areas. Now in new syllabus of Std. XI they have completed
their job.The reality is that overall
25% students in the 'Arts' stream take
time about one hour to read passage in about 300 words. And the crown to this
some couldn't read anything.
Prof. G J Atram: [8:19
PM, 2/22/2020]
I do agree. Teachers and students
of English have become victim of this scheme of examination. Moreover, ABCD set
code is added to their misery. Why do only English has four set code and not
other subject. Is there a specific reason for that? Not only Marathi and Hindi
question papers ; be it first or second language, have comparably a very easy
question pattern, but also have very less content in the syllabus. Being a
third language and a foreign language English question paper for vernacular medium
should not be that difficult. Here the teachers themselves are not hundred
percent sure for some of the answers in this year's papers, how can be the
student are expected to solve them correctly?
Prof Sonawane: [8:38
PM, 2/22/2020]
Right Sir.
The persons who are in the chair
they decide syllabus seating in air conditioner rooms, who are mostly belonging
from urban areas and schools and colleges from reach and high class localities.
How we can expect them to think about the ground level students? They have
their answers such as improve yourself; improve your students so that they can
be familiar with English language. This means nothing but dominating the
teachers and students in rural and suburban areas.
Prof. Sajjad Ahmad
Khan [9:10 PM, 2/22/2020]
No way! Personally I knew few of
them who belongs to rural area and serving since 20 and more years in ZP and
private management schools ,few worked at Taluka and district and others
belongs to all parts of Maharashtra.I have been serving in rural area and
dealing with poor and illiterate background of mostly religious minorities
students. But we ll try our best and find better results By doing various
activities . Sorry to say our English fraternity are not capable to speak
better English in classroom , to motivate their students, to speak in English
and sets various activities by using audio video AID, PPT YouTube, charts and
arrange and organise competition among them like reading writing , poster presentation,
speech, role play and many more activities …
Ugale Sir English Teacher:
[9:16 PM, 2/22/2020]
Some students from Arts stream are
not able to read marathi property......
It's fact.....Harsh but true.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 3
Prof R N Nikam: [9:08
AM, 2/22/2020]
You are absolutely right sir, I
think English speaking atmosphere should be created from the very 1st class.
And English should be given equal importance along with PCMB. Then some improvements
are expected otherwise????.
Prof Sunita Shinde
Kuwar: [3:38 PM, 2/22/2020]
Sir every year
we get poor English
students. It isn't the
problem of syllabus but
it is the
problem of teachers. From Std first to
tenth the teachers
use translation method. They neglect communication skills. So the students remain poor in English
language. When he /she comes at
plus two level we too
have limits of completing
syllabus n so on. How can we
teach him or her ten years of English
n grammar within these two years? My junior college
is attached to high school
so I always request
our principal to make compulsory
for the secondary teachers to teach
in English n not to use translation method.
Prof. Sunil Pandit [5:43
PM, 2/22/2020]
Nice sharing of your dogmatic
view.... As far as the gravity of this
problem makes me think, I come to the opinion that comparatively
blaming our students being poor
in English language is very very
easy.....
but the real culprit is the
literate English Teacher and his teaching...!!
Teacher is solely responsible for making his or her student poor in
English. An Ardent self-introspection is
must for.. We teachers to subdue this simple issue...
Prof. Vikas Sonawane:
[7:23 PM, 2/22/2020]
We're all sailing in the same boat.
I mean we all know problems.
What are the solutions?
I believe we have 3 thousand plus
teachers linked with Honourable Chavan sir. That's the counting of brains and
ideas.
We can get rid of all these
problems.
Starting with- First of all it’s
Reading.
Do our students read text and other
extra books?
We need to search and enlist few
cheap but useful books which can be provided to students; considering rural
areas.
Prof Sunita Shinde
Kuwar: [7:33 AM, 2/23/2020]
Sir my focus is mainly
on primary n secondary teachers.
They must change their teaching method.
Prof. Sachin
Hawaldar: [7:51 AM, 2/23/2020]
We can't blame to them as our
students have qualified SSC n come to plus two level. Now it is our duty, how
to dealt with them . We should start from parts of speech and tense for those
who r supposed to be weak learners ex arts students. Ask them to learn minimum
three words per day .Once their vocabulary strengthened drill them sentence
pattern .i.e s+v, s+v+o like this we may use our own methods to improve their
performance ....
Prof Sunita Shinde
Kuwar: [8:21 AM, 2/23/2020]
Not
blaming sir it's the part
of their duty to
follow right method n
avoid old methods
nothing else. Actually the books
of primary n secondary are also prescribed for the communication purpose.
Prof Sunita Shinde
Kuwar: [8:23 AM, 2/23/2020]
Views were
asked by Tushar
Sir so frankly explained what I felt.
Prof. Tushar Chavan: [8:36
AM, 2/23/2020]
Yes. The students should be trained
in the secondary classes. They must learn at least basic English. So it's the
duty of the teachers teaching to std. First to tenth. If we are starting from
basic things, when will we complete our syllabus?
Prof. Sunil Salunkhe
Sir: [8:37 AM, 2/23/2020]
Specially literature
Prof Sunita Shinde Kuwar: [8:38 AM,
2/23/2020]
Absolutely right sir this is what I
want to
say. We have our course book to
teach.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 4
No one commented on this issue.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 5
Prof. Kailas Mahajan:
[9:17 AM, 2/22/2020]
The programs like CHESS must be
implemented properly.
YES, SIR I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THAT
REQUIRES DEDICATED AND INNOVATIVE TEACHERS AT ALL LEVELS. I KNOW SOME Z.P.
TEACHERS LIKE MR NITIN GABALE AND SANDIP KULAT
WHO ARE PUTTING THEIR BEST AND GETTING BEST RESULTS. THEIR STUDENTS
SPEAK VERY GOOD ENGLISH
Prof. Atmaja Kasat: [4:14
PM, 2/22/2020]
Yes sir... Even I agree with you..
the base of the student is very weak... We should pay attention to that from
grade 1. But practically this is not happening... There r many reasons
like fear among the students regarding
the subject, mechanical method of teaching at ground level, unavailability of
good resources, etc....
We seriously need a solution to
this...
Prof Vaishali Jane: [6:28
PM, 2/22/2020]
Yes, it is the fact but we can neither
blame the teachers nor the students.
It is impossible to clap with a
single hand .It means both factors (students and teachers) are equally
responsible because teaching and learning is a two way process. So both
elements should equally involve with interest in this process.
Whenever one thinks of learning any language
one has to make use of four pillars of language i.e listening, reading,
speaking and writing.
A child can learn any language up to
the age of 6 or 7. So, in this grasping age group ,we should focus to develop
these four pillars of the students. So, Montessori method of education should
be applied. Montessori offers a child centred learning environment. English
speaking should be made mandatory at the primary stage. So primary teachers
should be capable for it. And they
should not be given other work like census, election duty ,except
teaching so that they can concentrate fully on their teaching and developing the children. It is the proper age group to mould
the children as we want.(I am talking about Marathi medium schools)
The Potter can give the shape which
he wants to the pitcher only when the clay is wet,after baking the pots in the
furnace cannot be given any shape.
In the same way we cannot do this
when the students come to us at the age of 16 or 17.
So any changes regarding anything
should be done from the ground level.
I think the condition of the
teachers who teach the students of
science stream is much better than the condition of the teachers of Arts
students. Excluding some exceptions Arts students are very weak at English and
particularly in rural areas and boys students.Girls are somewhat sincere. This
is real plight at my working place. No
method can be applicable in such situation. It is my own failure. Still I am optimistic
and do my best for my students.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 6
Prof Vidya
Kakavipure: [10:24 AM, 2/22/2020]
S sir.... The pattern of teaching and
learning will b change. From the first standard. Teachers from primary should b
teach by heart ...
I have seen my daughter's teachers’
aren’t teaching them as students’ need. When I have to take her study she said
there is no need to learn mummy. It’s so simple to write English paper.
How????! I don't know.
Prof. Mrs Smita
Sanjiv Patil: [12:58 PM, 2/22/2020]
Sir, not much vocabulary is
introduced up to 4th std. and again from 5th std. grammar is not given much
attention regarding introduction of prepositions though it is small topic it
needs more practice and regarding English this practice is important but many
times it is observed that the teachers students and parents are not much
serious up to 10th and the tragedy of English language is faced by the Jr
college teachers like us
Prof M Zaheer,
Nagpur: [1:20 PM, 2/22/2020]
Every teacher must ensure common minimum learning right
from std.1 to 11. A teacher of class 5 must prepare or frame his/her syllabus
& see that every student from first bench to last bench must learn it. Then
teacher of class 6 will prepare the later portion of the syllabus & ensure
learning in the class. Syllabus may include mostly vocabularies of different
form of words i.e list of noun to learn, verbs adverb, adjectives, preposition
etc. In this way students will enrich their vocabulary every year & by the
time they come to junior college, they will be able to read & comprehend
the text easily. And we will be able to teach & furnish to them the
knowledge of advanced level. But this will be possible when every teacher must
ensure common minimum learning in their respective classes.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 7
Prof Mrs. Smitha
sashikar: [9:06 AM, 2/22/2020]
Very true Sir. At the school level
i believe translation method is used to teach English in many places as its
easier to be understood by students. This itself causes a lot of problems. Your
next suggestion for the science students is perfect. At least they won't take
the subject for granted then.
Prof Patil J. V.: [9:57
AM, 2/22/2020]
Yes it's true. Students are very
poor in English though they are learning from 1st. I have seen that in many
schools English subject has not been given much importance and not taught properly.
Prof Vilas Lokhande
Sukdeo: [10:48 AM, 2/22/2020]
It's true sirji. Though student is learning English from first
grade but teacher from marathi medium school must be well trained. Secondly
Education policy to upgrade students upto 8th grade must stop. Though teacher
is taking revision and test but unfortunately it doesn't work properly.
Prof Babita Charthal:
[11:13 AM, 2/22/2020]
I agree with you, Madam. Whenever I
raised the question in our school teachers meeting about the basic rules and
structure of grammar, the middle school teachers start arguing. They don't
understand what I mean to say
Prof Gurme Nagnath
Machindra: [1:49 PM, 2/22/2020]
I agree with U sirji. Students can
develop comprehensive skill from 1st to 10th std. Its a main fault of education
system. But in reality, it also tests the student's analytical ability& his
capacity to clothe the ideas presented in the passage. It tests his power of
expression &his systematic thinking. We have to use authentic grammar book.
Students can also learn it carefully. But first of all ,teachers can read daily
one of the English newspapers& use
audio visual aid in the classroom activities that helps a student to learn it
carefully. It is our sincere hope that students will get a better understanding
of the course book & observe how answers should be written.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 8
No one commented on this issue.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 9
Prof. Prakash Patil:
[9:49 PM, 2/22/2020]
Exam method is not good. Activity
sheet is for little kids not for the 10 or 12. It must question and answer like
science subject then the students learn English as a subject with proper way and
language. They will learn structure
Prof. Sunil Wattamwar:
[10:34 PM, 2/22/2020]
Sirji, I think there are two types
of students, one is from rural and other is urban. rural students learn English
without basic ,just they study for the sake of marks, they don't have basic and
more important teachers who teach 5 to 7 class
are imperfect .they never teach properly. I think unless we teach basic
they will not get interest. Another reason is we have less importance of
grammar in new question paper.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 10
Prof. Shilpaa Madam: [11:16
AM, 2/22/2020]
I agree with you
Somewhere something is lacking.
But what is the root cause no one
knows.
Just implementing new syllabus or
changing paper patter is not sufficient.
Our students are least bothered to
study English, (except few who take it seriously).
I genuinely feel that pushing them
to the next level hardly knowing their capacity might b one of the reasons.
While preparing syllabus or
teaching or correcting papers v keep students at the center yet they fail to
reach the aspired level.
So it's clearly shows lack at the
root level.
I happened to see my mom's English
book that she had preserved since years; I was appalled to see the level they
studied.
Whatever v r teaching /studying at
12 they studied at 7th grade.
Of cource earlier generations far
intelligent than v do. Moreover they never had this so called ready to feed
technology.
Again that is all personal
opinion...
Prof. Balaji
Shinde: [3:10 PM, 2/22/2020]
While
discussing such an important topic which is a serious concern at plus 2 level
as well as anywhere else, we the teachers are supposed to introspect and
evaluate ourselves. As per as my personal opinion the overall ecosystem of
educational infrastructure might have been scrutinized nutrally. The reasons
and causes are quite vivid but no one is accepting the merciless fact.
Some of our respective members
have tried to search it out very well. But let me admit the truth that the base
of this L3 ecosystem is too weird to uplift that scenario. If the English
teachers also couldn’t handle the foreign language efficiently, how can we expect from their inheritors? The fundamental cause of this ruined third
language education, is the malpractices of the Techers Education Recruitment
and Training infrastructure at each and every level. Here everybody likes to
neglect the responsibility and omit the negligence of others. Universities blame their subordinate teachers
for the plight of this embarrassing situation. While junior college teachers
blame to secondary teachers and secondary criticize primary. But I personally
think we must come to the conclusion.
Dr. Shashikant Mapari:
[6:09 PM, 2/22/2020]
Yes sir it’s a naked reality of our
jr, colleges or Higher Secondary schools, but while connecting the dots there
is a missing link and I am sure the 80% reason is our English teachers whether
they r teaching to primary /secondary/Higher Secondary school. At this modern
era most of the teachers uses translation method of teaching. They r not
creating situations in their classes for discussion, or students own view on
that topic.
Establishing
a club of English Teachers of Pri/Sec/Hi.Secodary is one of the ideas have been
implemented by me in our school. Its resulted good because teachers shares
there's views , opinions, and difficulties and all English teachers discussed
on it and found solutions too. Always man needs another person for blaming but
at the same time He/she forgets his/her duty.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 11
Prof. Rahul
Bramhankar: [9:15 AM, 2/22/2020]
Our students are weak in English
because English is taught as a subject not as a language. If English is taught
and learnt as a language, the learners will take much interest in English.
Prof Miss Shaikh: [10:42
AM, 2/22/2020]
As far as I realise, we as teachers
might be wrong somewhere, might be we are taking them lightly.
Secondly: the more we listen the
more we can speak so we teachers should be
strict enough to communicate with students only in English .
Prof Sneha
Ratnaparkhi: [10:50 AM, 2/22/2020]
Yes sir, I agree with you
completely. Language acquisition should be encouraged from std 1st itself.
Within mere two years it's difficult for us to make them learn sentence
structure, vocabulary, reading skills and love for literature.... As you put
forth a question whether it's mistake / lacuna of syllabus or teachers.... I
would say both. Mr. Brahmankar rightly said that English should be taught as a
language.
Chavan sir you please take the
initiative and we all would support you to create modules for English Speaking
with Indian touch
Prof. Tushar Chavan: [11:01
AM, 2/22/2020]
CHESS is a good program for Jr
College English teachers. If it starts, we will get many modules for our
development. There is a problem of funding so it is not started yet. We need
more such programs.
Prof. Ganesh Dhote: [1:42
PM, 2/22/2020]
As teacher of English we really
agree about wives but different syllabus
might available art( lower) and science
students (higher) .......me As
teacher of science and arts students level
Prof. Archana Madam: [1:57
PM, 2/22/2020]
While framing the test whether of
xi orxii at college level we should increase the difficulty level also of. Oral
test so that the students realise the reality
Prof. Khushbu agrawal:
[1:59 PM, 2/22/2020]
I agree. If we will start giving
them difficult task in XI they won’t have any difficulty in solving any level
paper in XII
Prof. Archana Madam: [2:30 PM, 2/22/2020]
Course must be divided for XI and XII.
Grammar and writing skills for XII and literary for XII. Language abilities
will be developed paper must beset based on XI and XII efficient students will be
developed
Sir l have read the different
views some reality lies in each of them
makes us to ponder over the difficulty level of the paper for Marathi
medium students it's true that many
things are responsible teachers, basic
knowledge,1to 10,and so on but what makes the situation worrying
is that why so many criteria only for English let there be sets like. CBSE for each and every
subjects all subjects have a particular
limit for the test items but our
subject covers all the topics under the sky what are we
expecting are teachers not efficient or the students let’s have a written test of the
students English knowledge in Std XI so
that responsibility could be fixed l met
students who were very frustrated for
English results not because they
will not clear the subject.
Only a teacher expressing view with
fraternity.
Increase the periods and college
hours be serious be serious and practical towards our students future
Drastic changes are needed for the
betterment of students future
Prof. Pravin Sir: [7:35
PM, 2/24/2020]
I agree with you as only fifty
percent of students are scholars... Students from Arts faculty n Vocational
courses...commerce Marathi medium... Students from rural area.... have not been
considered...
Prof Ghansham Dalave:
[8:30 PM, 2/24/2020]
As we are teachers we can't blame
the quality of rural students. It suggests that high school teachers haven't
taken smart efforts. Reality is in front of us. What should we do to improve
our students?
Actually we get very less period to complete Jr College step. Just
within 18 months we pass them 11th and 12th. There isn't any doubt that we get
poor quality students especially for arts. Education policies are responsible
for it. It also depends upon political views which are always variable. Even syllabus is not completed in arts’ college because teachers can't
continue with high speed teaching. What is more important here is that we have
to focus our attention on the basics of language.
Prof. Archana Madam: [8:34
PM, 2/24/2020]
Yes more periods are needed to
complete the course
We should seriously discuss what can be done to increase interest
confidence skill lessen the fear
and boost the result for their
future we all are teachers let
the Amrit come out from vicharmanthan
Prof. Adat V. S.: [8:47
PM, 2/24/2020]
It is interesting to know the
opinions of different teachers about the text, syllabus, lectures, the
span...., all of a sudden there is a bombardment of suggestions and opinions the blame game starts... Everything starts after the question paper
outs.. There is no application letter, no tourist leaflet, even the interview
question topic is bit difficult and so on... According to me we have to send
our opinions before the planners, before they set question papers. There should
not be cry over spilt milk. Even the text should be different for different
branches. A proper training session should be arranged. Think about online
trainings. Our teachers are hard workers. They can easily cope with new
syllabus and text. But what about students?? The experts must seriously think
about it? Even the sources should be increased.
Prof Ghansham Dalave:
[8:53 PM, 2/24/2020]
You are quite right mam. Two heads
are better than one. Like this we must meditate on it. Everyone has to use his
or her own skill with spirit .Spiritual work is more important than mechanical.
Nature of English teacher is also important in this case. The question we
should ask ourselves that 'Are we real masters? 'I mean do we have real
mastery? What about our own command over language and not on subject? We all
are subject teachers and not language teachers. We can make our students worthy
to pass the 12th exam but what about the skills of language of 12th students?
So our attention should be focused
on developing language skills and not passing subject.
LSRW are very important skills and
these skills are neglected by all of us. So, I am of this opinion. P…
Prof. Adat V. S.: [9:00
PM, 2/24/2020]
Right sir. But we can't ignore the
language skills. Without lang. skills how can we teach this language?? We have to give extra time for the
conversation in the classes. At the same time we have to develop mastery over
this language, it is there but not sufficient...
Prof Kaulapure P S: [10:06
PM, 2/24/2020]
How many members have got the guts
to write to the Board Secretary and the BOS members directly about their
grievances and that of their students? I remember, faintly though, when there
was a short film review of a film in the eighth standard, only 8 letters were
received by the board to remove that topic. Are we ready to advocate our cause?
I'm afraid, majority of us, are not. I put this with due respect to all.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 12
Prof Sarika Lahoti: [10:18
AM, 2/22/2020]
Our college students r also very
poor in English, unable to write their name in English, then it is very tough job
for me to teach them this new syllabus, what to do, we need some changes in
this pattern, that's why we can't get
100 percent result and we have to face college
management for English sub
result, what to do? please guide us sir.
Prof Faisal Malik: [10:37
AM, 2/22/2020]
Same condition my students
Prof. Wanole sir [10:51
AM, 2/22/2020]
It's not the fault of teacher who
is teaching to those students who are unable to write even their names. But I
think the curriculum of secondary schools is not getting up to its level. It is
not aiming to perceive the overall development of students..
The
syllabus from 5th class should include conversation, group discussion and other
practical based elements... So that the student will be able to speak and write
English better
Audio
visual aids play here the main role.... while attempting for developing the
students speaking and writing skills
Prof. Sachin Surwase [10:54
AM, 2/22/2020]
It's not our guilty......
Government should follow strict rules, if government is promoting such Students
then what can we do.
Last year
for 10th cancelled 20 marks of practical has shown that students had failed in
Marathi..... and started 20marks once again it means Government is disabling
students...
And there
should revolution tests for teachers also after every 5 or 10 years.....
Prof. Hazel Noronha
Marceline [11:37 AM, 2/22/2020]
Sir, Students r expected to be
promoted from 1 to 8, irrespective of their actual knowledge. The Govt says to
give them papers to solve from the lower level if they r not faring well in the
higher classes. This puts an added burden on the teacher to set n assess papers
throughout. Also due to this system parents have conveniently washed their
hands off of their responsibility. They make students bunk for movies n
ceremonies coz they know the child will pass. Until this system stops it will
be very difficult to get better marks at the plus two level.
Also
students who join from regional language mediums are actuall y with us for only
a year. With the online system college begins in Aug or Sept. It continues till
12th till Nov. Miracles r expected from language trs in such a short span.
Prof.Shrikant Jodave [12:02
PM, 2/22/2020]
But one thing pops into my mind. A college can
decide whom to give admission in 11th. If the students are not up to minimum
expectations, a college can deny admission to such. But there again, a college
has to be run. They need sufficient number of enrollment to comply the
conditions.
So the list
of obstacles in the way of excellence goes on.
Moreover,
we Indians are habituated to adjustments. This what our ancestors had done and
we've been trained to do so.
Prof Ramesh Shinde: [1:00
PM, 2/23/2020]
Poor standard of English at+2 level
is result of govt policy of introducing English from 1st std teachers teaching
English are not specialized, they only think of completing formality. Being not
specialized in English they have nothing to do with subject dignity and
development of basic language skills.
Jr. College Eng.
Teachers’ Group 13
Prof. Devashri
Kshatriya madam: [7:35 AM, 2/22/2020]
I totally agree with you sir. Why
change the subject either for its content or evaluation at the higher grades.
Try to find the lacuna at the lower grades itself. English is one of the many subjects a student
studies. If he can give justice to other
subjects, he should also be having the same approach for English too. We should
not changing anything about the subject as per the liking or interest of the
students. In fact it is the teacher's duty to develop their interest in
English.
Dr Uday Shirgave:
Your views are ideal but far away
from reality of Arts and Vocational students.
Prof. Devashri
Kshatriya madam: [8:01 AM, 2/22/2020]
I am trying to convey reality only
sir. If an English teacher at the lower grades is not fluent with the language,
that's exactly where the problem starts. I think this is the reality and the biggest
lacuna of the system. That should be
rectified
Prof Nitin Dangre [8:15
AM, 2/22/2020]
This is the alarming question now a
days... Same problem I face when I teach the students of MCVC.
Actually they are afraid of English
language.
When I ask them to read out the
lesson the next day most of the students disappear...
I am worried about that.
In urban area also this is going
on.
Prof A V. Joshi: [8:24
AM, 2/22/2020]
And for toughest fight for making
merit list competitive exam for medical, engineering
If marks in all subjects are same
then only they compare English subject mark
But if some weightage is included
for English subject then there might be change in students and parents point of
view. Because many parents use to advice
that concentrate on main subject line PCMB
Prof. Sanjivani
shinde: [8:25 AM, 2/22/2020]
I agree with you sir. Students must
be trained properly from std first. I face great difficulty to teach English
subject to arts faculty.
Prof. Ravi Ahuja: [8:26
AM, 2/22/2020]
Why is it not working? Well, the
answer is quite simple.
Our govt/state board has decided
not to fail any student till 9th std That's why.
Every child knows he/she cannot be
failed, do they don't even try. And by the time they reach 10th std, it's too
late.
There is nothing wrong with our
curriculum.
Prof A V. Joshi: [8:28
AM, 2/22/2020]
Yes sir arts faculty students
really face the problem
Commerce and Science students focus
on their subjects other than language
Dr Uday Shirgave: [8:29
AM, 2/22/2020]
Just organised one lecture on rural
areas students and observe. They are so much respective and receptive than
others.
But reality is that they can’t
write their address or proper sentences correctly.
If the raw product goes on carried
on remark up to 10th and 11th. Where and when should we diagnose this problem?
What I am trying to say we must
create interest in teaching and learning process, no doubt, what if you don’t
touch and speak on the problem of students.
Teachers trying their level best.
I don’t have any problem about
their teaching methods whether it’s Direct method or translation method. It
stated and accepted in Worldwide Teaching Foreign Languages seminar that
teaching any foreign languages in their mother tongue is most effective than
teaching in same language.
I put forward this issue from
different perspective. That was role of junior college teachers and problems
(solutions) of rural and remote areas student.
Must think on evaluation pattern.
I am not blaming our teachers
students or syllabi.
I wish solution from dignitaries
like you all.
Prof. Devashri
Kshatriya madam [8:32 AM, 2/22/2020]
I agree with you sir. This is
exactly what I was trying to say
Prof. Ravi Ahuja [8:32
AM, 2/22/2020]
Do you all remember when you were
children, we used to be very afraid of getting failed and staying behind while
all our friends progressed to next standard?
We need this fear in our children.
They are not even trying.
They know they will pass, no matter
what and no matter which school.
Dr Uday Shirgave: [8:33
AM, 2/22/2020]
Ok. Problem Of Implementations.
Please suggest Solution to deal.
Prof. Ravi Ahuja sir [8:39
AM, 2/22/2020]:
Very easy solution. Let's stop
doing this. Start failing incompetent students. Students will start taking
their studies seriously and also lower grade teachers will also start taking
this seriously
Because what happens is many
teachers are totally relaxed and they don't care because they know each and
every one of their students will pass and go to next class
Same with tuition teachers and
private teachers. Parents don't say
anything to them because child is passing, and the teacher gets away with it.
And obviously the child doesn't care
because he/she doesn't have to work as hard.
He can enjoy his/her video games.
One thing is for sure, if we start
failing incompetent students, every teacher will become serious and
responsible.
Prof Nitin Dangre [8:43
AM, 2/22/2020]
At first we will have to create
students' interest in English Language
Like playing some educational
games.
Prof. Sandeep
Lanke [3:34 PM, 2/22/2020]
The students have been learning
English language right from the first standard or some even from nursery still
they are not able to speak a single meaning sentence. Who are to be blamed?
Other foreign languages can be learnt in a Spean of 1 or 2 years, some even in
6 months but we are not able to catch up with English even after learning for
so many years. The syllabus framers should think about it to achieve learning outcomes...
Prof Nitin Pawar [10:43
PM, 2/22/2020]
English language is not spoken as a
regional language (dialect/vernacular) in India. No exposure.. No English
speaking surrounding.. Students are unable to think in English. They literally
think in their mother tongue and translate it into English and then they try to
speak English. Again when we learn English in terms of formal Education, We
have to follow the certain grammatical rules right from the beginning which
make things worst.. Actually it has to be informal education in the beginning,
not worrying too much about the grammar.. English is basically a foreign
language so obviously in the rural areas where parents are less educated or
uneducated can't guide their wards in this regard and the students remain poor
in their basics of English if it's not…
Prof. Sonawane Nitin [10:55
PM, 2/22/2020]
Rightly said sir,in tribal area the
situation of English is so worse that we always in the dilemma whether to teach
syllabus or teach the basics of english language i. e.Reading,writing etc.
